There's all of this chaos and fighting going on.
My daughter, she would cry and stare
out the window and then laugh.
I would always sleepwalk and have night terrors.
I thought something was taking over her.
Do you think he's dangerous?
Yes, he's enjoying causing fear.
A lot of dead people in one spot.
He could more than likely kill you.
I don't like this guy.
And I just feel fear.
My name is Amy Allan.
This is like Grand Central Station for the dead.
I see dead people.
They have pain that they suffered.
I speak to dead people.
She hates them, hates them.
And they speak to me.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
It's a demon. It's Satan.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
What was the body count, what happened?
And I know every person, every house has secrets.
I don't know if it's a demon or not,
but it sure as hell looks like one.
It's my job to reveal them.
I feel like I'm crazy.
But Steve and I never speak...
We never communicate during an investigation.
...until the very end...
I don't even want to show you this.
...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
I just don't want anything to happen to my mother.
...or time to get out.
You have to get out.
I'm out here in Jefferson City. It's the capital of Missouri.
I got a call from a young couple.
Activity got so bad for them,
they had to pack up their bags,
grab the kids, and get the hell out.
Now they got a hell of a problem.
They can't afford to keep the house,
but they know the house is dangerous,
so they refuse to sell it.
These guys are desperate and we hope
we can help them find a way out.
Before Amy arrives,
I sweep the area looking for any leading information.
This house has a lot of photos and religious symbols,
so it's important that I cover or remove them all.
When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk.
There's all of this chaos and fighting going on.
****
That was weird.
Like I got a physical push back on, like, my shoulder.
There's so much energy, it's insane.
It's like this isn't even here,
there's a **** whirlwind of **** energy,
like a vortex.
So, Erin, when we spoke on the phone,
it sounded like things were crazy here.
Yeah, we bought this house in 2017.
The moment we walked in, fell in love with it
and six months after living there, we had to move,
we literally one Monday morning said,
"We're out," and put an offer on a house two days later.
Was there something that happened that kind of,
that was it, you had to get out?
Yeah, my daughter had had night terrors
and sleptwalked every single night.
She would cry and stare out the window and then laugh.
She was very weird, she was very eerie.
What was the final straw?
My daughter was in the bathtub
and she literally looked over at me and said,
"Mommy, what would happen if I threw
my baby brother out the window?"
What?
Yep, and I said, "Baby girl,
we would never say that, we don't joke about that."
And a couple minutes later, she started crying,
and she said, "Mommy I did not say that.
My brain told me to say that.
I promise I did not say that, I would never say that."
Do you think she was being possessed
or do you think she was being influenced?
I mean, as a mother, I don't even want to say
that she was being possessed,
it makes me sick, but, yeah.
Okay, so now that your daughter's in this other house,
is she back to normal?
She is, it's a night and day different situation with her.
When you were in the house, who was living here?
We're a family of four.
It's me, and my husband's name is Aaron also,
and then Reina is 7 and Titus is now 2.
This is a very unusual case for us,
you guys are already out of the house.
If we can fix what's going on here,
we'll give you the tools for it,
would you move back in?
I don't know, even being here gives me anxiety.
Alright, so do me a favor and give me a list
of what the hell's going on here.
Footsteps, voices,
electronics turning on and off,
apparitions, my health declined.
What's going on?
I felt like I was getting the life drained out of me.
It was like it was trying to make me weak,
so that I couldn't fight back
and I couldn't protect my daughter.
Sometimes I thought I was just crazy.
It's a lot of residual **** going on here.
Would this residual affect the living?
Yeah, you're feeling fear, panic,
and kind of like disoriented.
I think that could hit you if you're depressed.
It could make you lethargic.
You might have dreams about it.
I spent a lot of time up here.
This was my office.
Every night when we went to bed,
basically we would hear noises from up here.
So, banging or scratching.
The house would just start rumbling.
Okay, I mean, things have settled down
at night and it's quiet, but, you know,
it's something Amy may be able to help us out with.
Now, is anything else going on?
Yeah, as I was cleaning out my daughter's room,
we were packing up all of our stuff
and I looked over and there was a man
standing in her doorway.
He was tall and thin
and he had an old-fashioned suit and a top hat.
Give me an age.
40, 45.
Alright, so with all this activity going on,
what the hell do you think this house
is asking of you or wants from you?
Sometimes I think it wants to scare us,
sometimes I think it wants to control us
and sometimes I think it wants
to suck the life out of us.
I keep seeing a doctor.
This guy was just always, like, super stressed.
I feel like people are seeing him.
This seems pretty consistent,
like it could be any time of day or night
and more when they're having, like, taking a shower.
I don't like him now.
Do you think he's dangerous?
Yes, I do, because of the knowledge
he has about the body, he's enjoying causing fear
and he's enjoying intimidating these people.
His ultimate goal, really, isn't to kill anybody,
but he could if he wanted to.
This is where most of the things happened to me.
Okay, like what?
When I slept, I had nightmares all the time.
I remember one very vividly,
to the point where I would recognize the people
in it if I saw them on the street.
What happened in that dream?
I was walking on a set of stairs
and there was an older woman
and she was holding a baby and that baby
was frustrating her.
And she beat the baby's head against the stairs.
So, was anybody else
having these vivid nightmares like you?
Yeah, Reina definitely had some terrible nightmares.
Anything else?
I had something lay on top of me and trap me
for about 10 minutes, it smothered me.
Alright, so what happened?
I was asleep and I woke up
and something was wrapping its body on me.
I couldn't move and I couldn't scream
and I couldn't ask for help.
Did it feel like a person's body
or just like a mass on you?
It was a big, dark mass just smothering me.
So while you were getting pinned down,
what sense did you get?
It felt more like
it liked taking control of me.
The doctor likes to kind of torture people
and he can get physical.
Somebody's in here trying to sleep
and I saw him bolt out of that bathroom
and they're seeing this thing coming at them.
I'm being **** attacked.
I'm being charged by this thing,
I don't know what the **** it is.
What are they seeing then?
More of like a black ball thing, but, like, fast.
They're and it's in their face,
you know, like freaking 'em out.
Definitely like, "I'm gonna hurt you"
is the feeling that they're getting with it.
They're waking up, they look over,
this thing charges them, the next thing they know
is that they're being pushed on and touched.
He's like doing weird ****,
like giving them "examinations,"
but it's like obviously not appropriate,
so they're feeling violated.
It's **** weird!
So Reina, I was talking to Mommy today
and she said when you lived here,
you were having a tough time.
Now, can you tell me about some of the things
that were going on?
I would always sleepwalk and have night terrors.
Do you remember getting up and sleepwalking
or waking up from it?
No? No.
Do you remember the nightmares you were having?
No.
Okay.
Anything else?
Yes, I remember voices.
Do you remember what was said?
When I was by the stairs, I heard a girl say hi.
And did you hear it in your ear,
or did you hear it in your head?
I heard it in my ear.
In your ear, okay.
Now, Reina, Mommy told me about a time
that a voice told you to do something
bad to your brother, do you remember that?
Yes, I think it was a man.
That told you to hurt your brother?
You didn't come up with that yourself?
No.
But you don't hear those voices anymore, do you?
No. That's good.
So, Reina, this is a real pretty room.
If we can fix this, the problem here,
would you want to come back and stay here?
- No. - No?
Is it because you were afraid when you were here?
A little bit afraid.
Yeah, okay, honey.
And you don't want that stuff to happen again?
Okay.
I'm seeing a teenage boy.
He has brain damage.
His energy is all weird.
Okay, I'm seeing somebody getting
literally thrown down the stairs.
Physically picked up and thrown.
Somebody choking, choking.
The teenage boy is up here with some man.
What is their relationship?
I think it's father and son.
The thing about his kid is this kid,
who has brain damage, he does cause a lot of problems.
He doesn't know how to communicate,
so then he'll get really enraged
when people aren't paying attention or responding.
And then he causes, like, issues.
So, Aaron, I was talking to your wife
and she was talking to me about stuff
going on with Reina.
Might have been influenced by something in the house.
Do you agree with that?
You know, the sleepwalking was -- was creepy
and I noticed that it was happening every single night.
I thought something was --
something was taking over her.
And then in the morning, she had no recollection of it.
That must have broke your heart.
I was angry, just angry at the situation,
'cause I couldn't fix it.
Do you believe in this stuff?
Before, not really, you know, I'm a former police officer,
former Marine, it was hard for me to believe
until I had my own experiences.
So you were a Marine as well?
Yes.
Okay, Semper Fi, brother.
Now, as far as experiences,
what can you tell me that you've had?
In our bedroom, above was the attic
and I always heard a loud banging noise,
which I could describe as someone dropping a box
and then getting upset and kicking it,
'cause you would hear a slide.
Interesting.
When I was talking to your wife,
she mentioned the same noises.
Is it possible it was just an old-house noise?
You know, at first I thought it was,
but that space above the room, there's no floor.
So, a loud noise like that doesn't make any sense.
Right, okay.
Anything else?
Every time I come into the basement,
I always feel like someone --
someone's jumping on my back.
Okay, so you're telling me you're feeling that right now?
Right now, yeah.
It feels like, just, almost like,
like a lighter person, like they have
their legs wrapped around my waist and on my --
almost like a kid would be holding onto me.
It stays with me until I leave this room.
If we can fix it, would you consider coming back?
No, this house terrifies me.
Okay.
As a former Marine, a cop,
if you sold this house tomorrow,
do you think you'd be putting the other people in danger?
Yes, 100%.
Okay.
The kid, the teenage boy, makes me fearful for the living.
When he freaks out, he will lash out
by punching people or pushing people.
And because there's so many stairs here,
if you're in the wrong place and he freaks out,
he could cause somebody accidentally more harm.
He's so uncontrollable and unpredictable.
He'll, like, throw a fit and he'll, like, be stomping
and screaming and yelling and slamming things.
He has PK, too.
So, he's able to move and affect things
with his energy, so it's like,
a double, you know, kind of whammy there
for living people who are experiencing this.
It's just like, "Look at me. Look at me"
or "Hear me, see me."
He's bad.
I would've had to been blind to miss this first lead.
There's this huge prison, just down the street
from the client's house.
So, I made some calls and tracked down
the last deputy warden of the place,
who agreed to meet with me.
He says the state pen was known as
the bloodiest 47 acres in America.
So, before we get to all the bloodshed,
curious when did this place open?
It opened in 1836, the week that
the Alamo battle was going on in Texas.
Okay.
I've got a photo here from about 1906.
So, obviously things got bad here,
but when did that start?
Well, Steve, it almost started from the very beginning.
The conditions were absolutely horrific,
where you had no heat in these units,
inmates that complained about lice,
about putrid food.
I've actually got a picture here, Steve,
and you can see the men in their stripes.
Those men are from punishment hall
and they could be whipped up to 150 lashes.
It was a very difficult institution.
Okay, this place is huge.
I mean, how many prisoners were here at one time?
Up in the 1930's, there was upwards of 5,000.
So, this prison was one of the largest prisons
in the United States.
So Mark, I gotta figure, with all these prisoners,
the conditions and everything,
there had to be some riots, right?
Yes, there were a number of riots.
The biggest one was in 1954.
Five offenders were actually killed
and about 80-some were injured
and here's all the burned-out buildings,
so it was really quite horrific.
How many people died here over the years?
I think upwards of 2,000.
2,000?
Yes, not all from violence.
That's a lot of dead people in one spot.
So, you said there was over 5,000 inmates here,
anybody I might have known of?
Yes.
Probably our most infamous inmate was James Earl Ray
and there's a photograph of him.
He escaped from here in April of 1967,
he killed Dr. King in April of '68.
Alright, so I know Missouri has the death penalty.
Was there any executions right here in this prison?
Yes, there were a total of 39 by lethal gas
and the very first one by lethal injection
occurred here in 1989.
Suffice it to say,
47 bloodiest acres is pretty accurate.
Pretty accurate, yes, sir.
I am getting like a lot of screaming
and yelling around here and it's all of these people.
They seem really close and it doesn't
feel like that long ago.
There's a great deal of time
where there's all of this chaos and fighting going on.
But, you know, this is quite a few years of this
and it seems like more men than women.
They're bad, bad people.
So far, I've got a family too freaked out
to live in their own home on a property
near an abandoned prison where about 2,000 people died.
But I want to see if there's anything else.
Searching through old records,
I find a woman named Violet Ramsey,
who owned property next to my clients
in the mid-1800's.
Turns out, she was a freed slave.
You know, it's pretty unusual for a freed slave
to end up owning a bunch of land.
So, I called a local historian
and she looked into it for me.
She says Violet Ramsey's story is amazing
and definitely something I'm gonna want to know about.
So Dr. Greene, I appreciate you meeting with me.
This woman I came across in my research
sounds pretty incredible.
I mean, what can you tell me about her?
Violet Ramsey was born in 1796 in Kentucky.
She was brought to Missouri by her slave holder.
By 1838, she's able to purchase her freedom.
Six months later, she buys a house next
to the property that you're investigating.
Okay.
To be able to do that was unusual.
What happens next with her?
For seven years, Violet works as a laundress
and she is able to, in 1845,
purchase the freedom of her husband, Elijah,
and her youngest son, Josiah.
10 years later, the three of them are able
to purchase the freedom of her older son, Harrison.
So now, they're all together.
Do we know anything about the husband, Elijah?
Yes, in the 1860 census, we know that Elijah
was a teamster and a farmer
and Violet is still listed as a laundress.
Looking at this, though,
it looks like they had quite a bit of assets.
Yes, they never stopped working.
They bought six additional plots of land
in the neighborhood, so much so,
that their children were able to donate 40 acres
of land to Lincoln University,
where I've taught for 22 years.
So for a woman all on her own,
she achieved quite a bit.
Exactly.
To amass the amount of land and personal property
that she and her family amassed,
that was, that was really phenomenal.
So, it feels like this is where that man
and his son who has brain damage stay.
Any idea who the man was?
I think he worked here at some point.
A caretaker or some ****
Did he live here?
I think he did, yeah.
I think he, like, just took care of everything,
like the yard, the house.
I think that you would feel sick
in this room if you stayed in here for a while.
Weird.
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Another thing caught my attention in research.
A former owner of the property had to go
to the funerals of four of his own children.
So, I called up a local genealogist,
who's helped me on another case
and she says losing the kids was just
the start of this guy's troubles.
Well, Mary, it's good to see you again.
I appreciate you helping me out with this.
So you mentioned on the phone,
this guy had a pretty tragic life
with losing four kids.
Before we even get to that,
do you know anything about him?
Yes, I have a picture of him.
His name was Phillip Thomas Miller.
He was a store owner originally,
but then he became warden of the state penitentiary.
You know, Mary, I'm not sure if you're aware or not,
but my client's house is right there.
That red-brick building on the right.
Do we know when he acquired the property here?
He acquired the property about 1859
and then he moved his wife and young family there.
I do have this picture of her.
You told me on the phone,
he buried four of his children.
Yes.
Okay, what's the story with that?
Two of them died as infants,
then he lost his daughter Mattie
at age 23 of meningitis.
I have an article here about that.
So that's three, what's the four?
His son died at the age of 41.
Okay, do we know from what?
We're not exactly sure.
Right, now, you mentioned on the phone
that after the kids all died,
that he still had more troubles, what happened?
Phillip was in debt to the tune of $644 in 1878.
That's about $16,000 in today's money.
What does he do?
He was forced to sell his property at a loss.
Does he stay in the area?
He does, he moves about 1,000 feet away
into a much smaller place.
Okay, so things went downhill for this guy.
Yes.
I'm seeing this doctor, doctor, doctor guy.
Was this guy actually a doctor?
I was seeing some odd visuals.
Bodies and him being, like, around these bodies.
So, I was kind of thinking there's something
with that maybe going on here.
Do you have any idea what he wants with the living?
When he was alive, he had a lot of things
that he had to hide.
He wasn't in a particularly powerful position.
He was always in a very submissive kind of way
and I think now he feels like he has a lot of power.
And he can get away with doing what he wants to do.
So, I think he's enjoying this.
Okay, so now, Miller loses my client's property.
What happens next?
His daughter Louisa was very attached to the property.
She spent about six years scraping together
enough money to buy the property back.
So in 1884, she did so.
Does she move the old man back on the property?
Yes, she does.
Okay, so did things get better for them then?
Not particularly.
The same year she moved back to the property,
she lost her 12-year-old daughter, Kelly,
to mysterious circumstances.
Now what?
In 1894, she lost her father as well at age 75.
Okay, so then he dies.
Now, does he die on the property?
Yes.
I mean, this family's been through a lot.
Does it ever get better for them?
Not really.
In 1906, Louisa loses the property again
and has to move next door.
Whatever happened to her?
Louisa actually lived to be 80 years old
and she died on the property next to your clients
in 1926 of cerebral hemorrhage.
You know, Mary, it says here she's a widow.
Do we know anything about the husband?
All we really know about him is that he died
a couple years before her father lost the property.
Well, it's a sad story to say the least.
I mean, this family couldn't catch a break.
I'm seeing an old lady, she's about 80.
She's upset because her land is gone,
she wants her land back.
And she's just mad at me.
I'm getting that she's a widow
and her husband died when she was young.
Do you have any idea when this was?
She would have been born
probably like, in the 18...50's.
She's tough, she went through a lot of **** man.
So, she thinks like, that she's cursed
or this place is cursed.
I saw several disturbing things on my walk,
but one thing stood out.
The guy who seemed like a doctor,
attacking a living woman, has me really worried.
He had on, like, round glasses.
Deep-set eyes.
He had a long, thin nose.
Maybe it's a little bit shorter.
Amy, is this who you saw?
Yes.
Now that Amy and I
have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
So, Amy, this is a pretty unusual case
because no one lives in this beautiful house right now.
Things got so bad here
that these guys grabbed their two kids and left.
Now, this is Erin and her husband,
who's also named Aaron.
I have a photo of their two beautiful kids --
their 7-year-old daughter, Reina,
and this is their 3- year-old, Titus.
Now, these guys are stuck.
Can't afford to let this place sit empty,
but they don't think it's safe for anybody else to live here.
So now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys,
she'll describe her walk for us.
When I got here, it was just layers and layers
and layers of residual information.
I saw a lot of different time periods.
I was hearing a lot of screaming and yelling.
Seemed like a lot of these people
didn't really belong here.
I saw fighting.
I just felt an extreme amount of hate.
I felt like this type of residual energy
would create feelings of despair or depression.
Either one of you guys ever feel that way
while you were living here?
I did. I would stay in bed for days.
She was going to bed 4:30, 5:00 in the afternoon.
It was crazy, I had never seen anything
with her especially like it.
Now, she mentioned violence
and people who didn't seem like they belonged here.
I thought of the jail right away, the prison.
Matter of fact, when you stand in front
of one of your porches, you could actually see it from here.
So the Missouri State Penitentiary,
I'm sure you guys are aware of it,
opened up in 1836, closed in 2004.
So I actually have a picture of the prison
at the turn of the century.
I spoke to the prison's last deputy warden
and he says the place was trouble from day one.
There were four major riots that happened at this prison.
The worst one was in 1954.
Left four inmates dead and millions of dollars worth
of damage to the prison itself.
They burned it. Yeah.
That's -- Okay, got it.
Now, in the time that the prison was operating,
over 2,000 prisoners passed away there.
Wow.
So the first individual that I came across
is a deceased teenager about 14 years of age
and I am concerned about him for many different reasons,
but one is that he is brain damaged.
He is here with his father, who I believe
was some kind of caretaker for the house, the property.
Looking at them, I'm thinking maybe back to the 1930s.
The man and his son currently spend
most of their time in the attic.
When he feels like he's not being paid attention to
or recognized, he tends to slip out.
Like he'll stomp around, yelling, throwing things.
Well, I didn't come across any brain-damaged kids
in research, but you said he has fits up in the attic,
throwing things.
Every night, I'd hear what I would describe,
somebody dropping a box
and then getting angry and kicking it across the room.
It would be over my bed where the attic is.
Interesting, interesting.
He can become physical with living people.
I saw him punching a living person in the stomach
to get their attention.
Now, Aaron, I want you to talk to Amy about
the kid jumping on your --
what you described as a kid jumping on your back.
In the basement, I'd feel heavy
almost as though someone's jumping on my back.
Once I leave that room,
it was like a weight lifted off my shoulders.
The next deceased person I encountered
was an older lady, who was probably in her 80s.
I think she lived and died here.
I think she died around the '30s, 1930s.
She experienced and went through a lot of **** in her life.
Kept referring to her as the widow, so I'm like, "Okay,
so she probably lost a loved one, probably her husband."
The thing she was really worked up about
was the property, the land.
She told me she lost it and she wants it back really bad.
There was also an indication of nightmare activity
with her specifically.
Yeah, I had nightmares all the time.
I had a nightmare about an old woman
who, on a set of stairs that were curved,
she was in a nightgown
and she killed a baby on the stairs.
Now, you told me your daughter has nightmares, right?
Yes.
Can you tell Amy?
My daughter was sleepwalking a lot.
I guess I would call like a possession.
Head tilted, wide-eyed,
and she would walk and she would talk
and do creepy smiles and creepy laughs.
This is what kind of brought them
to moving the hell out of here.
Erin, tell Amy what the final straw was.
Reina was sitting in the bathtub
and she literally looked over at me and said,
"Mommy, what would happen
if I threw my baby brother out the window?"
And I said, "We don't joke about that
and we don't talk about that,"
and then she started crying a couple minutes later
and she said, "Mommy, I did not say that.
I would never say that. My brain told me to say that."
Wow.
I got a pretty good idea of who you might've seen.
Now, there was a woman named Louisa Miller.
She was born on the property next door to here in 1845
and moved on to this property in 1859.
Now, in 1876, her husband died suddenly of unknown causes.
So when you mentioned the widow thing, it made sense.
Two years later, her father got himself buried in debt
and the family had to sell the property to cover the bills.
So the genealogist I spoke to
said that Louisa was really broken up
about losing this property and she spent the next six years
scraping together money and in 1884,
she managed to buy it back.
But the good times didn't last.
She got back into debt and lost the property
a second time in 1906.
She ended up having to buy a cabin
on the property next door.
She wound up dying of a cerebral hemorrhage in 1926.
And she was 80 years old.
Now, I was actually able to get a photo of her.
And this is her when she was younger.
Could this be the person influencing Reina?
Yeah, I think so.
And Reina's open to being influenced
because she's a medium.
I mean, you know, this makes me sad.
I just feel for my daughter.
I mean, she said, I don't want that to happen with her
for the rest of her life.
I mean, as a father, I can't --
what do I do with that?
You know, it just drives me crazy.
I'm reaching anxiety, and my anxiety is like a 14.
So far, you've seen a lot in this place.
Anything else?
The other deceased person that I encountered
is a male, who I really don't like.
I mean, I don't like this guy.
Did not want me here.
****
That was weird.
Like I got a physical push back on, like, my shoulder.
He was showing me himself initially
like in his 30s or 40s.
Maybe this is the widow's husband.
I couldn't be sure.
He's extremely stressed out, very worried about money
and freaking out about the banks
and the thing that really stood out to me about him
was that he kept showing me himself
as, like, some kind of doctor.
Was kind of confused by that
because I kind of saw him with a lot of dead bodies.
You know, a few things you're saying are reminding me
not of Louisa Miller's husband, but of her father.
Now, his name was Philip Thomas Miller.
So he bought this property in 1859.
He was 41 at the time he bought it.
The thing that caught my attention
was the bodies you mentioned
because Miller was the warden at the prison
down the street back in the 1860s.
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So talking about all the dead bodies that happened there.
Now, we don't know how many died under his watch,
but he got into financial trouble in 1878
and the bank took the property away from him.
I got a photo of Miller, but it was later on in life.
Interesting.
So do you think that's who you saw or you're not sure?
I think so, yeah.
The thing with him is that he doesn't want
anybody here at all.
He wants living people to be intimidated and scared.
He's very physical,
so I think you would be able to see him at times.
So I was thinking like dark clothes, dark suits.
I was standing in my daughter's bedroom
and I saw an apparition of a man with a top hat on
and he had an old-fashioned black jacket.
That looks a lot like the guy.
I saw him touching men in unusual ways with women.
What I saw him doing was attempting to smother them,
getting up in their faces.
What I did see him doing as well was...
I'm being charged by this thing.
I don't know what the **** it is.
What are they seeing?
More of like a black ball thing, but, like, fast.
They're and it's in their face,
you know, like freaking them out.
And I did have a sketch done of what I saw.
My God. That makes me want to puke.
****
This happened to me twice.
And this big black ball
or black thing hovered on top of me
and it was smothering me.
Like I couldn't move, I couldn't breathe,
I couldn't scream, I couldn't cry out.
This sketch blows my mind.
She painted this picture, almost like I was there
and then you had this drawn.
It's just, it's incredible.
I don't know what to think, I really don't.
Alright, so what's the threat?
What if they didn't call us, what happens?
Honestly, he could more than likely kill you.
Probably a good thing you guys left when you did.
It's a lot to take in. I mean, it really is.
I was nervous that
it was going to be worse than what we thought
and it is.
Alright, guys, so now we know what's in this house.
What was attacking you in bed, what was jumping on you,
and most of all, what was influencing Reina.
But we still haven't answered the big question.
Can you make this house safe enough
for you to sell to another family?
For that question, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
The first person that needs to be dealt with
is the "doctor."
The people that need to do this
is a male and a female medium.
They need to be in the age range
of 40 to 50 years of age in good physical health.
They need to come together as a team and at the same time,
they need to engage this deceased male and move him on.
Why so specific about age and condition?
If we're leaning towards younger,
he sees that as weakness.
And if we're going older,
he also perceives that as a weakness.
The second person that needs to be dealt with is the widow.
The male medium, he needs to engage with her
and move her on.
I feel like she will bow down to a male
giving her this directive.
The third is the father and son in the attic.
This medium needs to be more of a grandmother,
nurturing type of personality, in her 60s.
Why a motherly type?
Because of the situation with the kid?
Yes, yes, and he'll be calm with this kind of personality.
Okay, so what can they do as far as Reina's abilities?
You need to set up barriers to keep the random dead away.
She's gonna need a lot of learning.
When is it okay to talk to the dead?
So it's a process, really.
Right.
This is a doable fix.
Would you consider moving back in?
I- I can't do it.
That's understandable, you know,
why go back into a combat zone if you don't have to, right?
Yes. I just can't.
My family's more important to me.
Right, so are you guys gonna follow Amy's advice
and do what she says so you can safely sell this house
to someone else? Yeah.
100%. I love having a plan.
I'm just really happy that we have solutions.
I mean, the questions I had were answered.
It's going to take a lot of work,
but if these guys follow my advice,
they can move on the dead,
making it safe to sell to someone new.
We have been in contact with a medium
that actually has been in the house.
And he is in the process of clearing the home.
Reina and I, we've had a really good couple of months.
We haven't had anything in our new house.
In fact, the other day, she said she's grateful
that she doesn't have anything scary in her closet anymore.
So anyways, we're really appreciative of you guys.
Thank you, guys.